A useful and rare discussion, led by Steve Paikin https://tvo.org/programs/the-agenda-with-steve-paikin/ , and the guests who clearly are living it.
I would have re-titled it: Anger, Empathy and Activism for Change. I found midway the interview got a little lost in campus freedom of speech issue, but hang in as brought back to thinking, living, struggling with how we try to talk of social change.
See video here: https://tvo.org/video/programs/the-agenda-with-steve-paikin/activism-allyship-and-making-change
Links to the interviewee’s web pages.